FYI, DM - fred's 'official response' is a rant accusing us of slander, as well as a threat to prosecute me to the fullest extent of the law. evidently he has a bug up his ass, because i'm calling Peter SF  'fred. i dunno... it's a completely overblown response to a joke.

Was I actually suppose to go read what Fred said? I went to his site once and thought he was very weird and left and have never returned. Am I really expected to read whatever nonsense he may have put up now?

 

Freddie I really don't care what you have to say. You can be peter or fred or whoever else you want to be. The point is I am not wasting my time going to a site I have no use for sorry :-S

Fred...my ohh my you have called me beyond names..that I know..and you should not tell anyone your full name..geezz dude..you need to lighen up

fred, fred, fred... if i thought for sure that it was you, don't you think i would have called you out right off the bat? i've been waiting for you to leave some kind of comment. it's about damn time!

all i've said is my fececious guest came from your place, you are openly opposed to the war in iraq, and the coincidences sparked my curiosity.

i honestly don't like the name "peter", especially when it's attached to anything referring to san fran... and given where he came from, decided to call him 'fred'. he could be caveman for all i know. i really don't care.

 

i find it entertaining that ANYONE could believe that 'being nice' or ignoring dictators and terrorists is the solution to ending sensless violence. the idea that we are being pressured to fight a "PC War" is absolutely preposterous to me.

 

if we hadn't invaded iraq...

i'd love to see this hippie give 'so-damn in-sane' a flower as a token of peace... just to see the expression on his face when saddam shoves the flower up his ass, and feeds him to the tigers.

 

headed to your place...

All right, this horse shits gone on long enough. My name is Fred Bieling, I'm from upstate New York, my brother Dan and I have both chased this Peter SF guy off our site because he is disgusting, I really can't believe after all this time Outlaw you'd believe the shit Caveman is feeding you.

"could not be independently veified" - it's a disclaimer in the very first sentence... or did you overlook that? you're taking a WP story as fact, and that simply proves your stupidity, fred (peter). ask the enemy what happened, and it is highly unlikely that you will find the truth. and the truth is this: people die in war. it's an ugly mess, but it is necessary.

 

none of us take pleasure in the fact that innocent people are sometimes caught in the crossfire, but it happens. 

 

i find it interesting that you (fred/peter) are so readily willing to abandon the same government that protects your freedom. your outdated hippie rhetoric is tired, and has been proven to be unerringly ineffectual when dealing with dictators or terrorists. 

 

"for every thing, there is a season", fred/peter, and whether you like it or not, war is also on that list. 

You are right, war is hell: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12998125/

 

The descriptions of events provided to The Post by witnesses in Haditha could not be independently verified, although their accounts of the number of casualties and their identities were corroborated by death certificates.

In the first minutes after the shock of the blast, residents said, silence reigned on the street of walled courtyards, brick homes and tiny palm groves. Marines appeared stunned, or purposeful, as they moved around the burning Humvee, witnesses said.

Then one of the Marines took charge and began shouting, said Fahmi, who was watching from his roof. Fahmi said he saw the Marine direct other Marines into the house closest to the blast, about 50 yards away.

It was the home of 76-year-old Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali. Although he had used a wheelchair since diabetes forced a leg amputation years ago, Ali was always one of the first on his block to go out every morning, scattering scraps for his chickens and hosing the dust of the arid western town from his driveway, neighbors said.

In the house with Ali and his 66-year-old wife, Khamisa Tuma Ali, were three of the middle-aged male members of their family, at least one daughter-in-law and four children -- 4-year-old Abdullah, 8-year-old Iman, 5-year-old Abdul Rahman and 2-month-old Asia.

Families slain
Marines entered shooting, witnesses recalled. Most of the shots -- in Ali's house and two others -- were fired at such close range that they went through the bodies of the family members and plowed into walls or the floor, physicians at Haditha's hospital said.

A daughter-in-law, identified as Hibbah, escaped with Asia, survivors and neighbors said. Iman and Abdul Rahman were shot but survived. Four-year-old Abdullah, Ali and the rest died.

Ali took nine rounds in the chest and abdomen, leaving his intestines spilling out of the exit wounds in his back, according to his death certificate.

The Marines moved to the house next door, Fahmi said.

Inside were 43-year-old Khafif, 41-year-old Aeda Yasin Ahmed, an 8-year-old son, five young daughters and a 1-year-old girl staying with the family, according to death certificates and neighbors.

The Marines shot them at close range and hurled grenades into the kitchen and bathroom, survivors and neighbors said later. Khafif's pleas could be heard across the neighborhood. Four of the girls died screaming.

Only 13-year-old Safa Younis lived -- saved, she said, by her mother's blood spilling onto her, making her look dead when she fell, limp, in a faint.

 

 

 

Ok I will follow suit and call him fred too.............. Ok fred like I said I challenge you to walk the streets of baghdad and see if you can determine the difference between nice Iraqis and insurgents. You can think Iraq is like Vietnam all you want, but the truth is in New York alone more people have been killed in one year than all of our troops in 3 years. Until you been in the shit don't tell me how things should be or how wrong it is that civillians are killed and I ask you again fred DID YOU MISS THE PART WHERE THEY WILL KILL THEIR OWN WOMEN AND CHILDREN TO KILL OUR TROOPS? Did you miss that part? Or do you just not care? Do you know what it's like to have a 7 or 8 yr old boy shooting an AK-47 at you? You going to let him just shoot at you and hope he misses? Do you know what it's like to find a baby stroller with a live crying child in the middle of the street strapped with thousands of lbs of explosives? All to kill us because we are "the great satan" and "infedels" You wanna hold some peace signs up why not call for pacfist muslims instead of violent ones on Jihad! Now I challenge you again to tell me the difference between nice Iraqis and insuregents. Can you do it? Just a simple yes or no will do.

Our brave marines in action:

WASHINGTON - As many as seven Marines are accused of dragging an innocent Iraqi man from his home in April, killing him in cold blood and then trying to cover up the crime, NBC News has learned.

 

That makes me proud that our troops are working hard to win the hearts and minds of our friends the Iraqi people. (Didnt we try this tactic in another war and it didnt work?)

 

As for me, I'm Peter, and I am contacting you while sipping my coffee at Starbucks on Bush and Van Ness in San Francisco (I find the address somewhat ironic). I'm here most mornings so stop by sometimes.

honestly, i don't like the name 'peter', and i'm going to call you fred anyway. it doesn't matter what your last name is, so get used to it.

so anyway, fred...

the bird from stateside flew into the warzone to tell our boys to 'play nice', and then he gets on his plane to come home. yeah... he's all up in the fucking war, man. gimmie a break... there have been very few real generals since MacAurthur's days. they're nothing more than politicians themselves.

 

be kind enough to leave us a URL, fred (peter)... or do you have something to hide? 

Some one should tell this guy that "WAR IS HELL" He's another f'ing traitor:

 

WASHINGTON - The top Marine Corps general flew to Iraq Thursday to tell his troops they must kill "only when justified," as the U.S. military investigated whether Marines killed civilians in two incidents.

The trip by Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant, to meet with Marines at bases in Iraq showed his personal concern over recent allegations about the actions of Marines in combat, the Marines said in a statement.

ahh good ole peter is back.(fred)..   umm yes Fred.. i thought it was him... ....traitors so suck...yes i know them pictures ..waveing a peace sign while being in the NG...if that was down here in Texas ..im sure he would be not in the NG..Fred dear.its wrong to protest while your friends and fellow Amercans are fighting ...scary

i suppose it's possible, DM, but whoever it was didn't jump from a blog entry... and while that doesn't mean they didn't visit from a direct link, it DOES make it less likely.

yes, fred is NG (a good reason NOT to use his name), but he has also been known to carry placards w/peace signs, and regularly draws correlations between Iraq and Vietnam...

i ain't pointing fingers necessarily... just pointing out some slightly curious circumstances...

 

like you say, babe... just a thought! :)

Said person could have come off fast freddy's site. Do you leave him comments?  However, I agree fast freddy has some strange ideas and no I don't think he would do that cuase Dan told me that Fred was in the NG. Would he in essense be stupid enough to berate himself?

 

I need to send you my programs for IP trackers and tracers. From there you could trace said person's IP and find out exactly where and who they are. I use them on my site all the time. I don't play with that shit. That's why you notice I never get comments left by anonymous vistors.  Once upon a time I had a few stupid people do that to me until I tracked them down and embarrassed them *MUHAHA*

 

I dunno I guess it could have been him, but he is in the NG so it would seem to me he wouldn't berate himself. I guess he could but damn I would never berate my ownself like that. Just a thought.........