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    30 May

    Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

    Welcome back, folks...
     
    I know some of you are just itching to hear my conclusion, so you can say,"I was right! You were wrong!". Others, no doubt, will totally disagree with my decision, and I reckon that's thier right to do so.
     
    Without further ado...
     
     
    Hear me out:
    A man cannot serve two masters.
     
    The Armed Forces are in the business of war and conflict. Fred has taken an oath to support whatever endeavors the 'powers that be' see fit... even if that means giving his very own life. He doesn't have to like it, but he has to do it... or face the consequences.
    So, by standing against his sworn allegiance, he has proven himself a hypocrite, and therefore, I believe he must make a public choice before his peers.
     
    Herman Bieling, this court finds you Guilty of Betrayal... not necessarily betrayal of your Country, ...but of your Oath, and the Countless Patriots who have given thier lives to defend the rights and benefits you so eagerly observe.
     
    One of your defenders has quoted a DOD Directive that allows members of the Armed Forces to attend rallies... but that Directive also specifies that you can only attend as a spectator, when not in uniform.
    Your very own photographs show you wearing Military Issue headgear, carrying placards, and obviously participating in rallies against your Commander In Chief and your Military's Actions.I find this act to be an irreconcilable breach of confidence.
     
    Therefore, you are hereby sentenced to Choose.
    You can either be a Soldier of the United States Military, or you can be a placard-carrying slogan-shouting Protester.
     
    One or the other, Fred.
     
    You can't be both.
     
    God bless this great Nation and those who diligently serve it's affairs at home and abroad.
     
    This Court is adjourned.
     
     
     

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    I have to agree, a "soldier" protesting in uniform is a traitor. You can't be on both sides of the fence at once!
    8 June
    Devil Momawrote:
    I was dirty too. I had on my hands and my face. I was pretty icky you perve *hehehehe* =))
    8 June
    Devil Momawrote:
    I just came to see if you had updated, but I see you haven't. So I will just say hi and run along :)
     
    {{{HUGS}}}
     
     
    6 June
    Bradwrote:
    Outlaw,
     
       Nicely done. There was order in your court. I commend you for being fair to both sides.
    I thought about smart-mouthing some of the participants, but I knew if I did, you would throw me out of your court too. I agree with your verdict as well. Let there be no appeal.
    5 June
    Tom Harkinswrote:
    Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for coming by my site. I had drill this weekend and haven't had time to leave a comment. You did NOT offend me at all in any way by deleting my comment. I fully understand your reasoning. After all, if it weren't for the good Americans that have died while serving this great country of ours, there is no telling what type of leadership would be prevailing. Maybe one that would not allow all these blog sites to be running. We would have to be doing it all through back doors and underground so to speak. Fred has always been guilty in my eyes as you well know. You sign up and you know the consequences of doing so. Amen to you Outlaw!
     
    Take care and God bless.
     
    BTW......I'll be going to that one guys site that left a comment on here. You deleted that one as well. I'm fixing to nuke him as well. Homosexuals "Really Chap My Hide" as well.
    4 June
    At least our officials thwarted it... even if it was a BS theatrical set-up!
     
    Can't anyone else see the scripted nature of this BS Canadian terror plot crap?
     
    Harper cpmes into power & in 5 months we are now officially USAII!  This is the same song & dance the US took 2 years to get their citizens in line with!
     
    Canada is getting the coles notes version of how to be scared of an imaginary enemy!
     
    If anyone on this forum believes what their pliticians tell them, you are sad mistaken creatures...
     
    'monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground'
    'silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club & beat their brother down'
     
    4 June
    Cavemanwrote:
    Thank God I am not nuts here...I knew Fred was guilty long time ago...wooo..umm Haze..knowing you are from Canada..do you need more Freds to find more terrorist ready to blow apart your country???
    4 June
    jesse turnerwrote:
    correction...
     
    this war isn't about international boundaries, ANY more than football is about cheerleaders."
     
    not "and"... sorry, i was thinking about pom-poms and skirts... hahahaha
     
    no offense, ladies :)
    3 June
    jesse turnerwrote:
    i love fred just as much as you do, joe. he can be a grade-a nutball sometimes, but  i wouldn't see any more harm come to him than you would. that's why i say he needs to choose.
     
    as ugly as it sounds, the true natural order of war is "eat or be eaten". how's that for not denying the perverse nature of humans? our enemies have already demonstrated thier willingness to attack our softest weakest link - civilians. therefore, we war. that's the game, man. we didn't choose it, they did.
     
    sun tzu once beheaded several of the emporer's favorite women just to illustrate that, in order to effectively command troops, one must demand respect from those who take orders. fred swore an oath to follow orders. that was his word.
     
    also, this war is not about international boundaries, and more than football is about cheerleaders. our enemies are militant muslims, who's sole intention is to create chaos and bring death to christendom. why? becaue they think the biblical abraham favored a different son for sacrifice. that's why they hate us, and i'd bet most of them are too fucking brain-washed ignorant to even realize how stupid this all is.
     
    ask those who have suffered and lost the most to our nation's enemies to grant clemency. that's who fred's actions hurt the most. 
     
    i say he needs to choose.
     
    3 June
    can't do both???
     
    c'mon Jess... you are defying your own logic & reason...
     
    natural laws trump man made laws, you can't deny this!
     
    freddy boy is guilty of breaking a man made law, you told me previously these laws are imaginarty (borders, et al).
     
    i am petitioning for clemency!
     
    ...as for your earlier update re: shoutinmg matches... individual's are intelligent, people are stupid & irrational... you can't deny human nature, no matter how perverse it is!
    3 June
    Justice has been made, I'm glad we have a sensible Judge in Court. Fred, you choose, you can't be on both sides. You are a soldier or you are a bitchass protester.
    3 June
    Tom Harkinswrote:

    Well in my opinion fred IS a traitor to his country, the Prsident and most of all......his uniform. He finally came by my site and left a comment. Now he really knows how I feel about him and his kind. The so called death wasn't meant by any means to be directed right at fred.........but all like him that protest against our soldiers fighting in any war or conflict! Stop back by my site and you'll see what I mean.

     

    Take care and God bless.

    2 June
    Cavemanwrote:
    Oucch..ok this is my last point your honor and I will not say anymore ...Fred might be out of uniform..and protest..then Fred go and protest at your National Guard unit if you truly belive in your casue...then if not you are a hypocrite ..you are in the military for the pay?..If the military had all Freds ..well I guess we would be all praying to Allah?..NO VIETNAM !!!!! dont run...ok..now im done ...your honor GULITY!
     
    ohh and happy birthday Fred..
    31 May
    Once more Your honor,
    the pictures, which as of earlier this day were still found to be posted on fred's site without any declaration away from said groups. Much less in the process of cross examination, he still has not voiced what groups if any he does pledge and affiliation with that were present at said protest. the pictures.
     
     
    GBU
    Chau Y Suerte.
    31 May
    Devil Momawrote:

    Ok I lied I have one more thing to say since some people on here are complete and total idiots. Did anybody actually read Article 134 with the paragraphs and sub sections?

    If you had you would see exactly why that Article was brought up. If you can't be educated then hush it. My God. You people act like you are so smart but in all your great wisdom you all turned out to be idiots. Well with the exception of a few. Those few know who you are. Military law is not hard to figure out however since I am the expert in it , it stands to reason why I went with the Article I did along with the certain paragraph and sub sections.

     

    My God at least do your freaking homework before you come here trying to be all smart and show yourself to be ignorant.

     

    Case and point, read the said article and paragraphs and sub sections and you will see without a doubt Fred is guilty of violating this portion of the UCMJ.

     

    Now I am done with all you retards how sided with the guilty party.  I will be back in a few days to see how it went.

     

    31 May
    Devil Momawrote:
    Psycho~
     
    Nice name BTW, I find it to be fitting to you. It is not my patriotic duty to heal my husband in any way shape or form. If I were a psychologist then it would be my duty.
     
    If you follow your last order that would actually start with whomever is higher in rank than you are then go up the chain of command then directives then the UCMJ. However, the UCMJ is law (hence it's name) and every order you get is derived from portions of the UCMJ. I think that would make it pretty important don't you think? Until you decide to go to law school and work for JAG don't try to inform me of how the UCMJ and DOD directives works. I am fully aware of how they work.
     
    I know exactly what Fred is. However I hate the term "Drill Sgt" It reminds me of a bunch of nasty mother fuckers. I was in no way demeaning My Marine Corps simply denying the Army their protocol.
     
    In the meantime please stop attacking my personal life. I am not the one who is in question here. However, it is about Fred and the violations Fred has committed.
     
    You can try to pull my life into this as a smoke screen if you prefer, however, you have no basis in doing so and are throwing up a diversion to the fact that Fred is still wrong. Plain and simple. Please don't refer to my Corps again being as you obviously are not true military. If you were you would not take Fred's side because you would admit he is wrong.
     
    BTW, next time you ask me for what basis I got my conclusions from I suggest you actually read the comments on this blog. I have repeated them several times and will not repeat them again. If you want to know why not look in the comments.
     
    Now keep this so called trial on track. IT IS NOT ABOUT ME OR MY BELIEFS OR MY LIFE it is about Freddy being wrong.
     
    BTW, Freddy maybe now would be a good time to cry slander on your ass. However, I am not like you and won't do that. Just showing what a bitch you are especially when you refer to "please be civil". I, however, will not lower myself to your game. You are taking the lowest shots possible because you know I have proven you to be guilty. Otherwise, you would not feel the need to drag my personal life or beliefs through the mud especially when I am a bona fide civillian stay at home mom.
     
    Got anymore low blows you would like to take at me?
     
    Everybody can see through what you are doing. You can drag me into it all you want the fact still is you are guilty as charged. If you really feel the need to stoop so low to try to discredit me by all means keep doing so. You can do it all you want, but your tactics of trying to get under my skin don't work. I think you are trying tio make me angry so I too will go off track. I, however, will not. With that said, I have nothing further to say.
     
    I will check in on this blog in a few days to see how the trial went. Yes, I am that confidant. I know the laws of the UCMJ enough to know I have made and proven my point and case.
     
    Good day to all.
    31 May
    I'm off to my Birthday dinner, good night all. (maybe we'll have some input from his Honor by morning)
    31 May

    Why, MegaBrad…I never would have suspected you’d think such thoughts about me?!

    Well this brings us back to which set of charges I’m really being prosecuted for. For the Article 134 set from Devil Moma this falls flat, because I was not in uniform on federal duty. Brian’s treason charges require it to be shown that I adhered to the Enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Again if you think carrying a sign in a lawful and Democratic protest puts me in the ranks with John Brown, Benedict Arnold, "Tokyo Rose," Mildred Gillars, Hans Max Haupt, Tomoya Kawakita, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, I don’t know what to tell you.

    I’ve never denied that I’m against the war in Iraq, but to say my will is that the United States capitulate to anti-American terrorist enemies is absured. There are any number of posts where this can be refuted:

    Most recent:

    Hawks for Withdrawal

    Original thoughts on the protest everyone is putting words in my mouth regarding my participation.

    If a tree falls in a forest and no one is nearby to hear it, does it make a sound?

    I’m against the war in Iraq, not because I’m against war, but because it's bad strategy, bad policy, and putting the horse before the cart as long as bin Laden goes free. If the circumstances once again arise where I'm called to War, I would not hesitate to serve. No questioning authority, or reasons, just to serve with my fellow soldiers.

    Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
    For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

    31 May
    Bradwrote:

    Your Honor,

     

       I submit as evidence that Fred is clearly against the war, and his will is that the United States capitulate to anti-American terrorist enemies in Iraq.

    Exibit A.

     

    Clearly, Freds will and actions seen in this picture of him at an anti-war, anti-American, anti- president Bush rally are set against the intentions of the Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States.

     

    Also, I submit;

    Exibit B.

    This time Fred is in front of the White House, Home to the Commander in Chief, carrying a sign that says "veteran for peace".

     

    Your Honor, I have never called Fred a traitor. However, just because I don't say it, doesn't mean I ain't thinking it.....

    31 May
    I will still stand by the photos displayed as enough. Period, no more in my mind is enough. Everything else he can say ... some is ok, but most i view as just hogwash (as the same that he views mine). The photos speak for themselves.
    31 May

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